Well I lived through the Loren Stump #1 course. This is definitely not for the faint of glass! It was not a “class” that is for sure it was hard core. He is really like a machine that guy or the energizer bunny with avengence. All in all the course was fantastic. Learned a ton of content. Not much product except paperweights was worth sharing but will definitely have a new way of looking at glass. Great group to work with thank goodness as we were often together for 10-12 hours a day.